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		<title>By: Gareth Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just had a thought, i bet he&#039;s still using GDM as the log-in manager, which would explain at least the problems with suspending and maybe a few of the other ACPI/hardware related issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had a thought, i bet he&#8217;s still using GDM as the log-in manager, which would explain at least the problems with suspending and maybe a few of the other ACPI/hardware related issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, i&#039;ve tried gnome and xfce (for quite a long time) too (just in case anyone tries to debase my claims saying i am a kde fanboy who hasnt tried anything in my entire life)

I was re-reading the article now and strikes me as unprofessional (but all this gnome/kde discussions are, anyway). Reduced battery life? I can&#039;t take that as serious, maybe because it relates that you weren&#039;t able to decrease the brightness of your laptop. Well, if you wanted comments and like to write in the internet, i&#039;ll tell you something: Don&#039;t complain if you&#039;re flamed when you&#039;re providing so little insight in your article. No one will take you seriously if you didn&#039;t take the effort to write a good article, because the article is little more than a excuse to start a flame war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, i&#8217;ve tried gnome and xfce (for quite a long time) too (just in case anyone tries to debase my claims saying i am a kde fanboy who hasnt tried anything in my entire life)</p>
<p>I was re-reading the article now and strikes me as unprofessional (but all this gnome/kde discussions are, anyway). Reduced battery life? I can&#8217;t take that as serious, maybe because it relates that you weren&#8217;t able to decrease the brightness of your laptop. Well, if you wanted comments and like to write in the internet, i&#8217;ll tell you something: Don&#8217;t complain if you&#8217;re flamed when you&#8217;re providing so little insight in your article. No one will take you seriously if you didn&#8217;t take the effort to write a good article, because the article is little more than a excuse to start a flame war.</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxexperiment.com/guinea-pigs/dana-h/kde-insert-poorly-worded-and-derogatory-comment-here/comment-page-1/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, i fail to see how the problems you say are KDE related. You should provide more information on which distro you try gnome/kde.

I am a KDE user (since 4 years ago); and i write in a fresh installation of Kubuntu (before i had opensuse). And brightness keys work, but they also work in text mode! Aren&#039;t this keys ACPI related? I don&#039;t get how switching from gnome to kde changed that. Ditto for suspending to disk. Are you really comparing gnome and kde on the same distribution? All this seems distro related to me.

Fonts can be a quirky issue. In opensuse i haven&#039;t had any problem, but now in kubuntu, i see gnome applications bad integrated; but again, the distro didn&#039;t make the effort of integrating everything right.

Actually, i think that both desktop environments are so customizable, that choosing one or the other comes down to the details. KDE 4 has been a bit unstable for some time, but now it looks very good; it is what i am used to, and i&#039;ll probably stick to it for some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, i fail to see how the problems you say are KDE related. You should provide more information on which distro you try gnome/kde.</p>
<p>I am a KDE user (since 4 years ago); and i write in a fresh installation of Kubuntu (before i had opensuse). And brightness keys work, but they also work in text mode! Aren&#8217;t this keys ACPI related? I don&#8217;t get how switching from gnome to kde changed that. Ditto for suspending to disk. Are you really comparing gnome and kde on the same distribution? All this seems distro related to me.</p>
<p>Fonts can be a quirky issue. In opensuse i haven&#8217;t had any problem, but now in kubuntu, i see gnome applications bad integrated; but again, the distro didn&#8217;t make the effort of integrating everything right.</p>
<p>Actually, i think that both desktop environments are so customizable, that choosing one or the other comes down to the details. KDE 4 has been a bit unstable for some time, but now it looks very good; it is what i am used to, and i&#8217;ll probably stick to it for some time.</p>
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		<title>By: The Linux Experiment Podcast #2: What the Hell [Desktop Environments]?! &#124; The Linux Experiment</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxexperiment.com/guinea-pigs/dana-h/kde-insert-poorly-worded-and-derogatory-comment-here/comment-page-1/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>The Linux Experiment Podcast #2: What the Hell [Desktop Environments]?! &#124; The Linux Experiment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Clarification of Dana&#8217;s post. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: KDE on Gentoo: slightly less inflammatory but still difficult &#124; The Linux Experiment</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxexperiment.com/guinea-pigs/dana-h/kde-insert-poorly-worded-and-derogatory-comment-here/comment-page-1/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>KDE on Gentoo: slightly less inflammatory but still difficult &#124; The Linux Experiment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the shitstorm that was Dana&#8217;s post about KDE, I figured I&#8217;d go into more details about how my day to day use is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the shitstorm that was Dana&#8217;s post about KDE, I figured I&#8217;d go into more details about how my day to day use is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KDE through 3.5 has been my GUI of choice, but V4+ has been nothing but one disaster after another. Trying to run 4.3 has twice removed my boot record. Easy enough to fix, but it leaves me wondering just what else KDE is going to do to my drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KDE through 3.5 has been my GUI of choice, but V4+ has been nothing but one disaster after another. Trying to run 4.3 has twice removed my boot record. Easy enough to fix, but it leaves me wondering just what else KDE is going to do to my drive.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-325&quot;&gt;
Again, thanks for your comments guys, but please try to be respectful to the poster. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bit much to be demanding respect when the poster is not giving any.  You get what you give after all. The flamebait title and post are clearly meant to cause offence and get people riled up.  It would have been perfectly possible to express his opinion in strong terms without descending into the gutter.  I&#039;m sorry, but juvenile rantings like this mark this website down as one I will never visit again.</description>
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Again, thanks for your comments guys, but please try to be respectful to the poster. </p></blockquote>
<p>Bit much to be demanding respect when the poster is not giving any.  You get what you give after all. The flamebait title and post are clearly meant to cause offence and get people riled up.  It would have been perfectly possible to express his opinion in strong terms without descending into the gutter.  I&#8217;m sorry, but juvenile rantings like this mark this website down as one I will never visit again.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Francis</title>
		<link>http://thelinuxexperiment.com/guinea-pigs/dana-h/kde-insert-poorly-worded-and-derogatory-comment-here/comment-page-1/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your Audio output device can easily be selected using System Settings in KDE. Simply go to System Settings &gt; Multimedia. from there you can select the output device per medium type by selecting the category on theft and then moving the preferred output device to the top of the preference list.

KDE has an awesome font manager.. System Settings &gt; Appearance &gt; Fonts. Then change the font sizes or whatever as desired. If that doesn&#039;t make your menus smaller you might also want to go to System Settings &gt; Appearance &gt; Icons &gt; Advanced and change the icon size, as this might be keeping things massive. Also under System Settings &gt; Appearance &gt; Style &gt; Fine Tuning you can configure how text/icons behave in toolbars etc.....

I promise you that KDE does not universally suck at Suspend/ sleep. These actions are out of the scope of KDE. I&#039;d strongly recommend installing any KDE distro before calling it KDE&#039;s fault. Its more likely a packaging problem where some &quot;vital&quot; thing didn&#039;t get set properly.

If your touch pad doesn&#039;t do scrolling etc, its most likely an xorg config problem. Again its not up to KDE to to interact directly with your hardware.

As for special laptop keyboard buttons not working, i&#039;d be interested to know if it worked no config required on Gnome, and if so whether the two are being used with exactly the same Kernel? These special keys are handled within the kernel, KDE just listens for the events.

In summery i think the audio thing was rather harsh, as its pretty easy to configure. The menu and fonts thing sounds like KDES fault, if for nothing else because you couldn&#039;t work out how to configure it yourself. The touchpad/non functional laptop keys / non working suspend are not &#039;KDE problems&#039; as these events aren&#039;t handled by KDE, and again would recommend not installing kde onto a gnome based distro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your Audio output device can easily be selected using System Settings in KDE. Simply go to System Settings &gt; Multimedia. from there you can select the output device per medium type by selecting the category on theft and then moving the preferred output device to the top of the preference list.</p>
<p>KDE has an awesome font manager.. System Settings &gt; Appearance &gt; Fonts. Then change the font sizes or whatever as desired. If that doesn&#8217;t make your menus smaller you might also want to go to System Settings &gt; Appearance &gt; Icons &gt; Advanced and change the icon size, as this might be keeping things massive. Also under System Settings &gt; Appearance &gt; Style &gt; Fine Tuning you can configure how text/icons behave in toolbars etc&#8230;..</p>
<p>I promise you that KDE does not universally suck at Suspend/ sleep. These actions are out of the scope of KDE. I&#8217;d strongly recommend installing any KDE distro before calling it KDE&#8217;s fault. Its more likely a packaging problem where some &#8220;vital&#8221; thing didn&#8217;t get set properly.</p>
<p>If your touch pad doesn&#8217;t do scrolling etc, its most likely an xorg config problem. Again its not up to KDE to to interact directly with your hardware.</p>
<p>As for special laptop keyboard buttons not working, i&#8217;d be interested to know if it worked no config required on Gnome, and if so whether the two are being used with exactly the same Kernel? These special keys are handled within the kernel, KDE just listens for the events.</p>
<p>In summery i think the audio thing was rather harsh, as its pretty easy to configure. The menu and fonts thing sounds like KDES fault, if for nothing else because you couldn&#8217;t work out how to configure it yourself. The touchpad/non functional laptop keys / non working suspend are not &#8216;KDE problems&#8217; as these events aren&#8217;t handled by KDE, and again would recommend not installing kde onto a gnome based distro.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mtz - The machine suspended without issue under GNOME. It failed to do so under KDE. No other configuration options had been changed. Therefore, the responsibility lies with KDE.

@Ian - Thank you for your reasonable comment, we appreciate you taking the time to leave us a message.

@ch - While you are correct in saying that we should be working to increase the penetration of Linux in the consumer marketplace, that doesn&#039;t mean that we should simply ignore and gloss over legitimate problems with the software. As a software developer, I reject the idea that we should not talk about the problems that a system does have. Dissent gives developers an idea of where improvements are needed.

@Barnabyh - I have been using XFCE on top of Debian Testing recently, and do appreciate it&#039;s speed and stability. It also seems to be extremely configurable, although the default configuration was not nearly as easy to use as the default GNOME setup.

Again, thanks for your comments guys, but please try to be respectful to the poster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mtz &#8211; The machine suspended without issue under GNOME. It failed to do so under KDE. No other configuration options had been changed. Therefore, the responsibility lies with KDE.</p>
<p>@Ian &#8211; Thank you for your reasonable comment, we appreciate you taking the time to leave us a message.</p>
<p>@ch &#8211; While you are correct in saying that we should be working to increase the penetration of Linux in the consumer marketplace, that doesn&#8217;t mean that we should simply ignore and gloss over legitimate problems with the software. As a software developer, I reject the idea that we should not talk about the problems that a system does have. Dissent gives developers an idea of where improvements are needed.</p>
<p>@Barnabyh &#8211; I have been using XFCE on top of Debian Testing recently, and do appreciate it&#8217;s speed and stability. It also seems to be extremely configurable, although the default configuration was not nearly as easy to use as the default GNOME setup.</p>
<p>Again, thanks for your comments guys, but please try to be respectful to the poster.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Setting the post&#039;s catchy title aside for a moment, it might do everyone well to familiarize themselves with the goals of this site.

What the &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelinuxexperiment.com/the-experiment/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;experiment&lt;/a&gt; is all about.

What the &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelinuxexperiment.com/the-rules/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rules&lt;/a&gt; of the experiment are.

And maybe even &lt;a href=&quot;http://thelinuxexperiment.com/category/guinea-pigs/dana-h/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dana&#039;s old posts.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Setting the post&#8217;s catchy title aside for a moment, it might do everyone well to familiarize themselves with the goals of this site.</p>
<p>What the <a href="http://thelinuxexperiment.com/the-experiment/" rel="nofollow">experiment</a> is all about.</p>
<p>What the <a href="http://thelinuxexperiment.com/the-rules/" rel="nofollow">rules</a> of the experiment are.</p>
<p>And maybe even <a href="http://thelinuxexperiment.com/category/guinea-pigs/dana-h/" rel="nofollow">Dana&#8217;s old posts.</a></p>
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